7 January 2009

We need a new story...a list thread considers

"We need a new Story." CarryOnMyWaywardSon NEW 1/5/2009 8:05:21 PM
According to Deepak Chopra and Grant Morrison, the current Story is not serving us well. We need a new one.

RE: Very nicely worded Calvin Bear NEW 1/5/2009 8:20:07 PM
I like the idea that some religions are ' more adaptive...' Logically, such religions - if really existing - might, be more akin to Universal Nature as we can observe it as scientists. But is is all a question of degree - some of the Universe is continuously adapting to a kind of change, and some is not.

Of course the trouble with words is that they represent a kind of Venn diagram of idea-meaning:

"Islamic civilisation remains the great frustration of word polity." To which someone in the Arab world may well rejoin "Zionist civilisation remains the great frustration of world polity!"

These ways of discussing such questions are just mathematical observations.

Yet, whilst mathematical, they are also under-evolved mathematics; arithmetical and not yet astro-physical, to extend the metaphor.

You cannot get away from some treatment of socio-religious stances in peoples of nationstates when you consider economics. And to some extent even Marxism is a religion - or has become one at least.

But I think one has to consider this precise moment in our lives as another one of those great phases where the facades supported by flawed systems crack irretrievably. As they did in Rome, the fashionable religious ideas give way to new ideas. Much remains but fundamentals change wholly.

The contemporary concept of monolithic economics, monolithic democratic politics, monolithic 'great' religions are all part of the facade that has cracked.

As in the most basic finance, it does or it does not (serve as tender) - it does or it does not satisfy the inner human being, it does or it does not provide any divine sense...

God has to enter the microchip, to be current.

Calvin J. Bear

RE: This is why I love Zoroastrians white_bear NEW 1/5/2009 8:23:10 PM

Not only do they not proselytize, but they refuse to accept converts.

If only all religions operated that way.

RE: By the way - Spengler is wrong here white_bear NEW 1/5/2009 9:23:16 PM

In my opinion, the connection between biology and existence will be severed within the next century. The workings of the brain are being decoded at a rapid rate, and the methods by which individual neurons interact to form a mind is slowly being prized apart.

I expect that by the end of this century, it will be technologically possible to re-create the function of the human brain without the actual body. Here there will be people "alive", whose biological form died long long ago. And there will also maybe be "people" who never had biological form.

At that time, having more resources will again translate directly into having more physical (although not necessarily biological) presence.

RE: The real tragedy of nutjobs.... white_bear NEW 1/5/2009 9:43:22 PM

...is not just that they imagine pathetic wackoisms that couldn't exist in reality.

The real tragedy is that they are unable to grasp the wonders that actually are possible.

RE: why would white bear need to explain that? SugarMagnolia NEW 1/5/2009 9:54:18 PM
that association between the Fed and Govt is has been established by many sources to the point where it's not even questioned, except by idiots with their head buried in mammalian fertilizer.

RE: why would white bear need to explain that? SugarMagnolia NEW 1/5/2009 9:54:18 PM
that association between the Fed and Govt is has been established by many sources to the point where it's not even questioned, except by idiots with their head buried in mammalian fertilizer.

RE: Somebody has stolen orginal "White Bear" screen na... mickey mouse NEW 1/5/2009 9:52:03 PM
This "White Bear" is a fake. Notice that there are two spaces between "White" and "Bear." That's how the screen name was stolen.

RE: who the heck is fred? SugarMagnolia NEW 1/5/2009 9:54:40 PM

RE: A long list of Banned User Identities SugarMagnolia NEW 1/5/2009 10:02:40 PM
who the heck is Lee?

Lee Atwater? Lee Majors? Robert E. Lee?

RE: Equal time SS aussiebear NEW 1/5/2009 10:20:44 PM
Post some more links to Miers spaceships. Fact is, I couldn't characterise my attitude to your views better myself, even if I disagree with wb often enough.

RE: I agree with White bear and Calvin aussiebear NEW 1/5/2009 10:15:03 PM
Much more than the detractors, anyway.
Islam was once very progressive, it preserved the Greek classics for us and bought us news of zero. Non catholics and Jews were much safer in classic Islamic civilisation than the Holy roman empire and fled the west if they could.
The crusades and the mongols destroyed their confidence but post colonalism it is the only common thread around which to organise resistance to both modernity and western economic interests. It will not last.
Any great new civilisation of the future will have a religion to suit, quite probably one where god and the microchip go well together and possibly one with a host of unembodied people available to consult. Like a library, only more complex. In fact White bears notion is not that different, one of degree, not kind, in the final analysis.

I find the same people who insist that human consciousness can't run on another substrate are the same ones who insist it can run without any substrate at all.

White bears imagination is not at least fatally wounded by silly certainies and reworked verities.

RE: Is that the real White bear.. aussiebear NEW 1/5/2009 10:23:10 PM
Of course it is. Don't you recognise the beast by its roar. Unmistakable.

RE: Any religion is a waste of time and resources Yogibear101 NEW 1/5/2009 10:41:44 PM
...let alone human life. Kill in the name of god? Yeah, right.

RE: Any religion is a waste of time and resources Bigfoot NEW 1/5/2009 11:00:50 PM
"Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition."

RE: Religions are an endangered species. smokey NEW 1/5/2009 11:03:46 PM

The old Rosicrucians taught that mankind emerged from the animal kingdom as a species-centered order.

Animal species are led through instinct.

Species' instinct is an innate connection to an invisible hierarchy -- a metaphysical government which dictates to each member of the species what actions to take to promote the survival of the species.

However due to the higher consciousness, or the capacity-to-think of the new human species, this metaphysical government faded into a more physical government which took the form of a tribal form of culture.

Within these tribes were the medicine men, or sorcerers which had the ability to bridge the gap between the metaphysical realm or species instinct and the physical realm of thought/action. These tribes were led in spirit through the tribal chiefs. Like wild animals, they knew where to go, what to do, what to eat -- essentially how to live.

As mankind's consciousness (capacity to think) developed, this tribal format was replaced by the more verbal construct of city/state government. To bridge the mental gap between the metaphysical, invisible world of the sorcerers and the more material world, religions were established wherein the anointed few were believed to have direct communication with the invisible authorities. These anointed few then directed the actions of the masses through supposedly divine laws.

We are at the point now where mankind's capacity to think has developed beyond the reality of physical hierarchies. Technology has presented the possibility that each and every individual has the ability maintain a connection to a higher intelligence which can dictate action directly. This growing individualism is replacing all other "isms" created by cultural doctrine.

Religions are going the way of tribes. Individualism is replacing the need for any type of external government whether it be religion, nation or family.

As the current cultural establishment collapses under the weight of human evolution, the personal government of each individual will replace all other hierarchies. This personal government will be tempered by each individual's need to get along with other individuals in order to survive.

The 60's hippie days were a rehearsal (hopefully not "dress").

The real movie is about to roll.....



RE: Religions will die at first contact Yogibear101 NEW 1/5/2009 11:08:03 PM
...with an alien race. Ask sheeple.

RE: I dunno. Evangelicals will probably try to... CarryOnMyWaywardSon NEW 1/5/2009 11:28:20 PM
... convert the aliens.

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